# Week 4 lesson 2 - random marathon: rand, irand, mininotation randomness, scramble, shuffle, choose + more **URL:** \ **Category:** Week 4 - waveforms, randomness\ **Created:** [8 May 2020 09:20 UTC](https://uzu.lurk.org/t/week-4-lesson-2-random-marathon-rand-irand-mininotation-randomness-scramble-shuffle-choose-more/685 "2020-05-08T09:20:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 15
**Author:** ![vin](https://uzu.lurk.org/user_avatar/uzu.lurk.org/vin/32/27_2.png) [@vin](https://uzu.lurk.org/u/vin)\ **Post date:** [10 May 2020 00:12 UTC](https://uzu.lurk.org/t/week-4-lesson-2-random-marathon-rand-irand-mininotation-randomness-scramble-shuffle-choose-more/685/15 "2020-05-10T00:12:33Z")
Rather than do a long discussion about this (it's one of my favs), I started a new thread! > [@Randomness/indeterminacy discussion](https://club.tidalcycles.org/t/randomness-indeterminacy-discussion/706): > > I thought, rather than bog down the technique thread with the aesthetic/philosophic discussion around indeterminacy, chance, randomness, algorithmic, generative, ettttttc. I'd make a new thread. Other thread here: [https://club.tidalcycles.org/t/week-4-lesson-2-random-marathon-rand-irand-mininotation-randomness-scramble-shuffle-choose-more/685/6](https://club.tidalcycles.org/t/week-4-lesson-2-random-marathon-rand-irand-mininotation-randomness-scramble-shuffle-choose-more/685/6) So I use a lot of indeterminate procedures, algorithmic procedures, and various other things like it in my musical practice more broadly, and as I said… --- _[View the full topic](https://uzu.lurk.org/t/week-4-lesson-2-random-marathon-rand-irand-mininotation-randomness-scramble-shuffle-choose-more/685)._